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All Members Meeting Minutes 5/23

Hey everybody! The minutes from the All Members meeting last week are below.

Chico

All Members Meeting 5/23/22 Rail Hop’n Brewery

Start time:  3:06 PM Attendance:  See attached

Food:  Costco Pizza, sandwiches, and pretzels, provided by ZSE Natca Local

To start the meeting, it was brought up that we need to officially adopt the minutes from the prior All Members Meeting.  This is to make sure there is nothing in the official minutes that is inaccurate, omitted, or otherwise incorrect.  With that being explained, the minutes from the previous All Members Meeting were unanimously adopted.

Constitution -

Drew talked about how the process for amending our local constitution currently works.  There is a small window of time for nominations of members to the E-board.  We are going to try and change that to make that window bigger.  We are also looking at changing the wording for the term limits for the E-board to make it start and end on January 1st, rather than what it says currently which is tied to the federal pay periods.  If you have any ideas for other changes, bring them to Drew.  If you want to access the local constitution you can find it in the member portal, or also on our website:  natca-zse.com

Overtime Assignments - 

We are being assigned a lot of overtime recently, throughout the building, so we wanted to discuss a few things about it.  If you are trying to get out of an overtime assignment the best thing to do is to find a replacement.  Another potential option is if you have scheduled travel that was booked prior to the overtime being scheduled, you can potentially use that to have the overtime taken off of your schedule.

Dan mentions that the A-area in particular has a lot of overtime being assigned currently.  There are people using sick leave all the time.  It is hard on the rest of that crew that is working short.  Amy says that Pro Standards can be one option to steer a supervisor towards if they are intent on pursuing discipline when there is a chronic problem with people calling in sick for overtime.  That really falls on management to decide when they are going to look into discipline for it, and the union will be there to make sure it is legitimate and that the process is followed.

One last note about overtime is that once overtime is determined to be needed for a shift, it must then actually be overtime.  It can’t be somebody working credit or some other solution.

Representation Rights - 

We want to try and do some more education at these meetings, on topics like certain articles in the contract, how certain processes work, benefits that the union provides, etc.   That is why we wanted to cover representation rights today.  There are a lot of supervisors who like to talk behind the sector and ask questions about a session, about a trainee, about the schedule, etc.  You do need to be careful in these types of meetings where you are “pulled aside for a moment” because if at any point the conversation steers toward potential discipline that is when you should stop and ask for a NATCA rep.

You hear some members say they have a good relationship with whichever supervisor, and it's ok if I talk about whichever topic with them.  However, there are certain topics that supervisors have to report on further.  So then you end up in a Weingarten meeting which could have been avoided.

There are no emergency meetings.  It has to be planned ahead of time with a rep available.  You can get a rep that you would like to work with as long as they are available in a reasonable time frame.  They also can’t dictate that you use a certain e-mail address or have the room set up in a particular way.

Every so often there are security investigations.  If the investigators are coming to you directly, that is wrong.  It should all go through your supervisor.

We reviewed some general tips about Weingarten meetings.  One of the most important ones is to not lie.  You should always tell the truth when you answer each question.  You also do not want to elaborate on any of your answers.  You answer the question asked and offer no additional information.  Management can’t ask the same question twice.  If you have answered a question then the rep should step in and say that has already been answered.  If the questions to the investigation are known ahead of time, they must be provided to NATCA.  Erich reminds everybody that you should be filling out an ATSAP report when it is appropriate to do so as well.  If you are filling one out well after a situation has occurred and you are heading into a Weingarten meeting it looks like you are hiding something and it isn’t received well.

Solidarity Event - 

The flyers for the solidarity event are out.  We are hoping to have around 100 people, but can make some changes to some of the event details based on the final number of guests.  We haven’t had any solidarity events in three years, so the local has some funds that we would like to give back to the members.  When you meet the NEB members at the event, it really is your chance to make your voice heard.  If you are upset with any aspect of the union or the direction it is heading, this is a great opportunity to let that be known.  They want to hear your feedback and it is often more impactful coming directly from members rather than from NATCA reps that they hear from more often.

New Logos - 

Drew and Amy have been working on some new logos for the center.  They will be on an upcoming T-shirt that every member will get at no cost.  There will be an order form to provide your shirt size.  We are also thinking about doing hats, stickers, or something similar.

Follow up on TOP discussion from last meeting - 

Lindsay was wondering if there was any new information about how TOP is being tracked.  Stan is supposedly tracking all time worked in addition to time on the radar scope in a spreadsheet and defending our facility to the region.  It is unknown if that really would have any impact however.  Lindsay would like there to be more done.  There is a question about whether our staffing at the center is based on these numbers.  Drew says that there isn’t much we can do at the facility level.  The change needs to happen with the actual tracking program that the FAA uses.  Our NATCA counterparts at that level should be advocating for us there.  Erich says that in his experience the only thing that really matters is when it actually starts affecting air traffic in a visible way.  If there are major delays to an airport or ATC alerts at facilities, that is what gets their attention.  The TOP isn’t a major factor.

It is hard because you don’t want to be the reason there are air traffic delays so you work harder, but you shouldn’t have to.  There should be adequate staffing to handle the workload.  If you ever need the sector split, or need a D-side, and the supervisor can’t provide any help, you need to file an ATSAP.

Meeting adjourned at 3:51 PM

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Facility Update May 25th

Hello All,

Our meeting went well Monday, the Rail Hop’n Brewery is a nice space, hopefully we can have another meeting there in the future. Chico will send out the notes shortly.

New Covid Policies

Policy Bulletin 126 was released Tuesday. We will link the full document but here’s the gist of it:

  • If you meet all the requirements to come back to work but the Flight Surgeon hasn’t cleared you yet, it will be EA now. 

  • Another difference is the inclusion of employees who are confirmed positive using a rapid antigen test and then test negative with a molecular (PCR) test may return to work after obtaining clearance from the Regional Flight Surgeon.

With all that said, please still file a CA-1 if you test positive for covid.

POLICY BULLETIN 126 and RETURN TO WORK POLICY full documents

LR Update:

We are going to try to start adding some LR updates on grievances we have filed or other issues we are currently working with mgmt.

  • The biggest one we have in the works right now is a grievance we filed last week regarding the agency’s decision to not follow federal law regarding placing people on COP once they filed a CA-1.This is frustrating because it is very clear what the law is and they are just choosing not to follow it. The changes to PB-126 might have made this a moot point but we still want an answer from them on why they think they can willingly violate the law. The decision to not follow the laws on COP was made outside the building just FYI.

  • Awaiting a response to a grievance regarding a skipped OT.

  • Held a successful Article 8 meeting with James Darlington in the C area regarding the agency incorrectly charging leave in accordance with FMLA/PPL/Contractual Rules. He can give you the details on that if you are interested.

  • Compiled information from the CDC on how immunocompromised people have a similar antibody count to unvaccinated people and thus should be treated the same as unvaccinated with regards to contract tracing and whatever else might go along with that. We sent this information up and made a recommendation but have not yet received a reply. The Flight Surgeon tends to march to the beat of their own wildly inconsistent drum.

Please remember to RSVP for the sunset dinner cruise via this LINK or scan the QR code below on any of the flyers. Members and significant others are welcome

Thank you all allowing us to represent you,

Amy Sizemore and Drew Stewart

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Facility Update May 21st

Hello NATCA family! It always seems so busy after being gone for a little bit but this week was especially jam packed. I am so happy to be back!

All Members Meeting

Please remember to show up to the All Members Meeting next Monday. It will be a Rail Hop’n Brewery in Auburn. We will provide pizza and if you wish, beverages will be available to purchase if you so desire. Show up as early as 2:30 to grab some food and drink but the meeting will start at 3pm. 

Agenda items: discussion of some potential ZSE Constitution changes, Representational Rights and OT assignments. As always, you are welcome to bring any other items you feel we should be discussing as well. 

Rail Hop’n Brewery

122 W Main St #101b, Auburn, WA 98001

https://railhopn.com/

NATCA PTSD Shirt

There is another NATCA charity benefit shirt available, this one is very near to many people’s hearts. This one is for PTSD awareness and benefits the PTSD Foundation of America. If you are interested the link is here: https://www.customink.com/fundraising/ptsd-awareness-month

Solidarity Event

We have finalized the flyer and sign up link for the sunset lake cruise we are hosting along with SEA, S46, BFI and PAE. This is a catered cruise around Lake Union / Lake Washington on an Argosy ship. This will be an awesome event and if you wish, please bring your significant other too! We will need time to finalize the catering/drink contract so please RSVP HERE (or scan the QR code) by June 25th.

I am so proud to be part of this local, you all are the best!

Amy

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Ojt info

Hey everyone! Amy asked me to send out an email regarding the suspension of OJT at our facility due to Covid. While a huge bummer, this decision from aerospace medicine was based on the rate of transmission in the facility based on the number of employees, number of confirmed and probable cases, and to the extent feasible, specifics relating to the confirmed and probable cases within the 14 day days prior. Thus, all OJT with the exception of OTS recertifications is suspended immediately. Additionally, the Parties at the national level highly recommend ALL employees wear a mask in public indoor settings within the facility despite the Community Level. AAM is closely monitoring the cases and will advise as the situation changes.

As always, we will keep everyone informed of any changes to this as soon as we hear them.

In Solidarity,

ZSE Eboard

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Follow up Regarding COVID CA-1s

All,

I found out that if you reply to this email it goes to my spam folder so my bad if I missed your reply. Email me directly at drew.stewart@natca.net to ensure I get it. That being said, I appreciate the replies I did get indicating the last email was helpful.  I also got some additional tips from members that I figured would be good to pass along as well.  When you are filing your CA-1 your case worker might have an arbitrary number of days that they approve based on the information they have.  If you have communication from the RFS indicating when you were incapacitated and when you were cleared to come back, make sure you share that with your caseworker so that they can get you the correct number of days returned to you if you had to burn leave.

Additionally, the Agency seems to be mishandling the application of COP (Continuation of Pay). Shocking, I know, but it’s true.  Local management is inconsistently deciding whether or not to place someone on COP and this is causing some people to take no leave (as it should be) and some people to take leave and then get it restored once the CA-1 is approved.  The end result is the same but it causes a major short term inconvenience to us as we try to keep track of what they took and gave back or for those that run low balances, trying to decide what type of leave to take.  On that note, if the RFS incapacitates you, you do not have to take SL, you can take annual as well.  If that is something you would rather do, make sure you let your supe know that.  But just to clarify, no one should be taking any leave after they notify the agency they filed a CA-1.  If your CA-1 is denied then that is something you would have to sort out with the agency later.

So that brings me to my next issue. Please, please, please, stop coming to work with COVID symptoms. There is no reason for it.  The agency has indicated to me that they are aware of a few people who came into the building with symptoms and subsequently tested positive. I do not know if they intend to pursue anything on this issue but I want to let you know that it is absolutely something they are watching. I know that low leave balances can cause us to do foolish things but in these pandemic times we have so many tools at our disposal to prevent us from having to burn leave that there is no excuse for coming to work with symptoms.

If you have symptoms, there is EA for testing. If you have COVID and got it at work, you can your leave restored (or hopefully place on COP).  If you follow the process correctly (and the agency does too), you should be out absolutely zero days of leave if you contract COVID at work.  The regulation requiring the agency to place you on COP is contained in 20 CFR Part 10 Subpart C if they ask. If you run into any issues with this, please forward them to your reps.

Drew

drew.stewart@natca.net

503.593.8178

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